Comments on: Chinese character learning for all students https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-character-learning-for-all-students/ A better way of learning Mandarin Fri, 12 Dec 2025 19:53:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-character-learning-for-all-students/#comment-138209 Thu, 24 Jul 2025 16:52:15 +0000 https://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=18403#comment-138209 In reply to Michael Cannon.

Hi Michael! Linkou feels very, very far away, both in time and space! 🙂 My experience is similar to yours, except I haven’t given up entirely on handwriting yet. I agree, though, that asking politely for help often works. I remember the first time I need to use 大寫 for numbers when transferring money (or whatever it was I did; can’t recall). So many strokes! I asked and got help. This was probably in 2088 or so.

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By: Michael Cannon https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-character-learning-for-all-students/#comment-138081 Wed, 23 Jul 2025 16:53:05 +0000 https://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=18403#comment-138081 Olle, so great to see how far you’ve come since we crossed paths in Linkou around 2010 or so.

Over the past 20 years, unless I was in a local school, I have rarely written in Chinese. Such that I no longer bother with writing practice. And on the infrequent occasions that I need to write, speaking the phrase 請幫我填寫 works wonders.

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-character-learning-for-all-students/#comment-124209 Sun, 13 Oct 2024 19:10:46 +0000 https://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=18403#comment-124209 In reply to Glenn Daily.

I really like how you described how learning Chinese makes your life more interesting! This is very close to what I myself think about language learning in general, including Chinese. Being able to make sense of something that used to seem like a jumble of strokes or strange sounds is a joy!

Many people who react to my article (or similar ideas), miss one of two things: either the one you mention about when to learn being a separate question, or that this is meant to be a discussion on a curricular level. It’s not about what an individual student can do or even should do, it’s about what we force, by law, all students to do (hence the title).

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By: Glenn Daily https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-character-learning-for-all-students/#comment-124206 Sun, 13 Oct 2024 18:50:28 +0000 https://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=18403#comment-124206 I just bought “Transforming Hanzi Pedagogy in the Digital Age: Theory, Research, and Practice”, and I’m glad to see this powerful advocacy for e-writing.

As you point out, when to learn characters is a different question. If the goal is communication, you may be right that listening and speaking should proceed at a faster pace than learning characters. Some textbooks follow that plan.

I enjoy learning Chinese because it makes my life more interesting. I can find meaning in sounds and squiggles that used to be meaningless to me. That is an amazing thing, and no translation app, even a perfect one, can replicate that experience. When the goal is to find meaning in the world, perhaps listening and reading can proceed at the same pace.

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-character-learning-for-all-students/#comment-120428 Fri, 31 May 2024 18:55:09 +0000 https://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=18403#comment-120428 In reply to 大鱼.

I agree that handwriting has benefits! However, I’m not sure if your analogy is accurate. I can definitely learn how to read Chinese characters aloud without knowing how to write them by hand. I also think that it’s possible to know a lot about components and the composition of characters without knowing how to write by hand. These are not the same thing. You can also spend hundreds of hours on handwriting without knowing much about components and composition too!

I think being able to write decently is a requirement for most teaching positions (if nothing else, it’s very practical to be able to write on a whiteboard), but 99.9% of students who study Chinese don’t do so to become teachers.

In summary, I agree that all the things you mention are useful, but I don’t believe handwriting is the only way to learn them!

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By: 大鱼 https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-character-learning-for-all-students/#comment-120419 Fri, 31 May 2024 08:10:43 +0000 https://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=18403#comment-120419 Obviously it takes a disproportionate amount of time to learn to write Chinese characters compared with learning to write in other languages, but I think it is a mistake to underestimate the advantages that a learner who can handwrite characters has over one who doesn’t. Imagine you didn’t know how to write or pronounce the letters of your own language. What would reading be like? Would you be literate? The advantages may seem small, but they multiply. Learning how to write a character, knowing its components, is an extremely effective way to reliably distinguish characters when reading. This also makes learning new words more efficient. These abilities allow one to read faster and learn better. I sincerely doubt that you would have been able to become a Chinese teacher without having put in those grueling hours learning how to write.

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