Comments on: Focusing on tone pairs to improve your Mandarin pronunciation https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/ A better way of learning Mandarin Mon, 02 Sep 2024 17:24:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Chinese pronunciation challenge, October 2024 | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-122412 Mon, 02 Sep 2024 17:24:03 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-122412 […] Focusing on tone pairs to improve your Mandarin pronunciation […]

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By: The Hacking Chinese guide to Mandarin tones | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-116377 Sat, 20 Jan 2024 16:12:43 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-116377 […] Learning tones in isolation is not too hard, but nailing them in sentences while speaking will take time to master. We will talk more about how to learn tones later in this article, but my advice is that as soon as you think you’ve got single tones down, put all your energy into truly mastering tone pairs. […]

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By: Tikaf https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-107827 Sat, 11 Mar 2023 05:37:15 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-107827 Thank you for the details and the links, very useful.
As a follow-up to your answer, I built upon the deck I mentioned to add words from your list that were missing in the deck, and tag disyllables according to tone pairs to practice in a structured way.
NB: I only have 995 words, the last 5 HSK6 words of the tone 1 + neutral tone combo are actually tone 4 + neutral tone in both blog and spreadsheet. I can’t find 报复 either in the HSK list (包袱 maybe?).
Anyway, I’ll add that up to Anki shared decks if anyone’s interested (I still need to go over all audio files as some are not ‘clean’ though).

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-107778 Thu, 09 Mar 2023 02:32:01 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-107778 In reply to Tikaf.

Hi Tikaf,

That’s a great question! In general, doing things randomly is good when you want to test or assess, but a structured approach is better when you want to learn something. I wrote more about learning to hear sounds and tones here if you’re interested. The most important thing is that you get immediate feedback, so using the deck you mention would work if you already feel you know the tone pairs well. It’s a form of tone pingo, which I talked about here.

The problem with using this if you don’t already know tones well is that the difficulty level is much too high. I don’t know exactly what the sweet spot is for this type of learning, but you probably want to be right more often than not. I have tried (a decade ago, maybe) full-on, randomly distributed tone pairs for students I thought would be able to handle it, only to realise that it’s much, much harder than I thought (this is assuming that they don’t know the words, of course, because then it’s no longer about tone perception).

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By: Tikaf https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-107757 Wed, 08 Mar 2023 11:32:53 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-107757 Hi Olle,
I’ve found an Anki deck called ‘tone pair practice with audio’, which actually quotes back your article here, as the author uses the list of words you provide.
As I was testing it, I realised that the words appear randomly in terms of tone order and that they are not tagged according to tone pairing either.

Thus I was wondering about the effectiveness of using this deck and random tone pair drilling versus going through a whole list of words with the same tone pair pattern.
I would instinctively use the latter method, but I’m curious about how you see the matter yourself.

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By: Best of Hacking Chinese 2022 | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-106018 Mon, 09 Jan 2023 10:11:09 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-106018 […] Focusing on tone pairs to improve your Mandarin pronunciation […]

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By: 50 beginner questions about learning Chinese - Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-100003 Tue, 23 Aug 2022 18:15:39 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-100003 […] can pronounce tones individually, but struggle with words. What should I do? You should stop focusing on individual tones and spend all your time with tone pairs instead. There are only 20 unique pairs and these cover a large majority of words. Learn one of each […]

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By: A smart method to discover problems with Chinese tones | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-82634 Mon, 13 Sep 2021 18:19:54 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-82634 […] List a number of sounds you find difficult to distinguish. They should be as close as possible, so pick syllables or words that you find difficult to hear or where other people struggle to understand you. If you want to check basic, single-syllable tones, you can choose the four words listed above! Like I’ve argued elsewhere, though, you should move on to tone pairs as soon as you can. […]

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By: Jason https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-68879 Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:46:27 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-68879 In reply to Trent Bellamy.

Thanks for recommending Zungzi, it’s pretty neat!

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By: Dan Wilkins https://www.hackingchinese.com/focusing-on-tone-pairs-to-improve-your-mandarin-pronunciation/#comment-68137 Sun, 27 Sep 2020 01:18:43 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4612#comment-68137 In reply to Trent Bellamy.

Great article, and great app recommendation!

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