Comments on: Chinese immersion with Carl Gene Fordham https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/ A better way of learning Mandarin Sat, 14 Oct 2023 14:04:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: You won't learn Chinese simply by living abroad | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-112686 Sat, 14 Oct 2023 14:04:56 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-112686 […] to become fluent in Chinese from home, even if making the right decisions there takes more effort. See this interview with Carl Gene Fordham, who became fluent in Chinese and a certified translator without ever moving […]

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By: 101 questions and answers about how to learn Chinese - Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-99939 Mon, 22 Aug 2022 17:53:51 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-99939 […] Do I have to move to China to learn Chinese?No, you can learn everything from home, but being in an immersion environment certainly makes it easier. Read more: Chinese immersion with Carl Gene Fordham […]

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By: Ken Wong https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-2856 Sun, 05 Oct 2014 09:39:17 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-2856 It’s amazing how many amazingly interesting articles and information come on your site. Carl is certainly a standout as far as language learners go, 活到老学到老, I believe his mantra would be. His progress has been impressive and is inspirational, I believe he also has a determination that not not many could match. I’m interested in his view that most language learners are introverts though, I would have thought otherwise.

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By: chiara https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-2855 Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:09:00 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-2855 very interesting, inspiring article!2 points particularly attracted my attention: “‘You just need to pay attention to the details, and always be curious’” and the time frame to learn Chinese.
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By: Lili https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-2854 Sun, 29 Dec 2013 20:48:24 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-2854 This article was so interesting and encouraging to me. I am an absolute beginner in Chinese and I continue to struggle with finding that one good language teacher. I’ve primarily been using resources online, and my location makes finding a teacher in person really difficult. Any suggestions?

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-2853 Fri, 27 Dec 2013 01:46:35 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-2853 In reply to Sara K..

I think both of you are right. The most important factor when you communicate with people you know is how convenient the conversation is. Few people you know well will insist on speaking a language that doesn’t work well for communication, for instance. However, when dealing with people you don’t know well or that are complete strangers, your language ability becomes less important. Some people really just want to practise English. I have encountered a few people like that.

I asked Carl the question because I’ve met lots of Chinese exchange students in Sweden who want to practise their English. Here in Taiwan, I can just ignore people who only wants to speak English, only speak Chinese with them or even use Swedish if all else fails. However, that kind of behaviour becomes unacceptable in countries where Chinese isn’t the native language. It would be strange, rude and quite bad in general to refuse to speak English with Chinese people in the US! You’d be the Chinese ninja yourself.

What I hadn’t thought about was the availability factor that Sara mentions. In English-speaking countries, Chinese speakers typically don’t have a problem finding people who speak English. In fact, they might feel relieved that a native English speaker also speaks Chinese, which might be interesting and useful in many ways.

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By: Sara K. https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-2852 Fri, 27 Dec 2013 00:01:28 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-2852 In reply to R Zhao.

On the other hand, Carl Gene Fordham has only spent 4-5 months total in China.

I often get Taiwanese people trying to speak with me in English, even when their English speaking ability is significantly lower than my Chinese speaking ability. One of the more obvious reasons for this is that Taiwanese people in Taiwan do not get many opportunities to practice speaking English with a native speaker, so some want to take the chance when they see it (though most are too shy to try).

If he’s mostly been talking to native speakers outside of places where Chinese is not the main language, I’m not surprised that he hasn’t met many native speakers who speak English.

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By: George https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-2851 Wed, 25 Dec 2013 16:17:34 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-2851 This is a big contrast from acadamia.

I have been rereading a copy of “Theories of Second-Language Learning” by MccLaughln that starts with dethroning Skinner’s Behavoiralism, and the runs through Krashen, Chomsky, and other for about 4 decades of destruction of one theory after another.

In the above, you find a good teacher for six months and then the rest is up to you. No ivory tower theory and rebutual, just try to get involved and stay involved in productive progressive application of your communication and reading skills (I suspect not much about writing).

This web site has been extremely helpful to me as the weekly arrival of another email reminds me to stay engaged and keeping trying to learn more.

I find the older books by Yale Press and Tewksbury remain some of the best and easiest to get through that Beginner phase in into Intermediate. Too many of the new books hae gotten too clear and really have lost sight of providing the ‘must know’ first, followed by the ‘need-to-know’ info. Something about ‘cut and paste’ editing with lots of color computer graphics has worked heavily against writers publishing good lean texts that don’t confound the learner with side panels, and clutter.

Above all, keep it simple and try to practise with native speakers regularly.

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By: R Zhao https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-2850 Wed, 25 Dec 2013 05:54:24 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-2850 I find it interesting that he has found a very small percent of Chinese speakers (1%) are insistent on speaking English with him. I think the difference between himself and others is simply spoken ability level. I think it’s worth pointing out that if your Chinese ability is below a native Chunese speaker’s English ability, your conversation may easily slip into English. It will feel more natural and probably a lot easier. Until you reach a fairly advanced level of spoken Chinese, I think these “language wars” may continue. I honestly don’t think it’s just a matter of Chinese speakers wanting to practice their English, but often them wanting to make you feel (the struggling Chinese speaker) more comfortable.

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By: Gary https://www.hackingchinese.com/chinese-immersion-with-carl-gene-fordham/#comment-2849 Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:45:46 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=4470#comment-2849 Great article! Thank you both, Carl and Ollie.

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