Comments on: Two reasons why pronunciation matters more than you think https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/ A better way of learning Mandarin Sun, 21 Jan 2024 09:37:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: The Hacking Chinese guide to Mandarin tones | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-116396 Sun, 21 Jan 2024 09:37:04 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-116396 […] Finally, if your goal is to just barely be understood in clear contexts, you can ignore lots of things, not just tones. I assume that if you’ve read this far in this guide, you care about your ability to communicate more than that. I’ve written more about why clear pronunciation matters here: Two reasons why pronunciation matters more than you think. […]

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By: Best of Hacking Chinese 2022 | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-114852 Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:54:02 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-114852 […] are. Of course, I don’t only write about pronunciation because I think it’s cool, but also because it really is very important. Thus, I’m happy that this article is as popular as it is! I guess that it’s because […]

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By: Chinese pronunciation challenge, October 2022 - Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-101984 Mon, 03 Oct 2022 19:34:03 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-101984 […] is a pity because pronunciation is perhaps more important than you realise. Studying vocabulary and grammar is no good if you can’t pronounce the phrases in a way that […]

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By: george https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-2720 Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:13:14 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-2720 In reply to Scott Burgan.

If you can’t say it properly, you likely can’t hear it properly as well. Returning to review of pronunciation for some period on an annual basis is a very good thing.

As you progess, you will enjoy confidence in sounding more and more like a native speaker.

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By: george https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-2719 Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:09:09 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-2719 I found a lot of new learners of Chinese in Taiwan like to talk fast when in doubt about their pronunciation and hope that the listen will pick up the meaning from the context.

This is a rather negligent habit of loading the other person with more than their fair share of the communication burden.

On the other hand, you do run into fast talkers that you just can’t sort out. Often they presume your level is higher than it is. It is very remarkable how just asking them to slow down often results in them using less presumptive idiom and the whole conversation becomes coherent.

This is a very natural part of negotiation of communication. It really doesn’t matter which language it is, just asking people to slow down tends to shift to a simpler vocabulary and more verification of understanding.

Be sure to ask for such if you are having trouble keeping up.

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By: Tyson https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-2718 Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:00:09 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-2718 Indeed true, I have often had a very positive response from a simple well pronounced 你好,leading to an overestimation of my overall level.

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By: Scott Burgan https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-2717 Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:02:25 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-2717 Thanks for the recognition Olle, 😉

I can’t remember where but I have definitely heard of what Julien Leyre is saying about being able to pronounce a sound (and distinguish between close sounds) and then this enhancing listening comprehension in academic ESL literature somewhere. Although I can’t remember where though, so not really much help I’m afraid!

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By: Julien Leyre https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-2716 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:48:52 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-2716 In reply to Olle Linge.

I’ve had this happen to me both in Chinese and other languages. Indeed, this works like vocabulary recognition – at a sort of ‘meta-level’.

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-2715 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:04:43 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-2715 In reply to Julien Leyre.

Interesting! Are you referring to some other language than Chinese? There aren’t that many consonant clusters in Chinese… Anyway, I think the normal thing is for perception to improve production rather than the other way around, but I suppose the opposite is possible. For instance, once you realise how something is pronounced, it might be a trigger that suddenly allows you to notice something you didn’t notice before. This happens with vocabulary all the time. You hear a word for the first time (you think), learn it and suddenly hear it everywhere! This is of course not because other people suddenly start using the word, they did that all along, you just didn’t pay attention. I’ve had this experience more times than I can count and I think it’s a general phenomenon of noticing.

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By: Julien Leyre https://www.hackingchinese.com/two-reasons-why-pronunciation-matters-more-than-you-think/#comment-2714 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 05:56:18 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3917#comment-2714 Great post, as always!

I wanted to add something – actually, a personal observation I’d like to test. I’ve observed a correlation in myself and some of my students between pronunciation and listening ability. Basically, through some sort of odd muscular mapping influencing parts of the cortex or ear tuning or whatever, when I make some sort of ‘aha’ progress in pronunciation, whether it’s rhythm, consonant clusters or vocalic distinction, I also start understanding better, basically by better hearing what people say. I’m unsure if there’s research on that, and whether it’s an oddity of my brain or a general trait, but I’d love to hear if anyone else (or you Olle) have observed this.

Also, I’ve just published a post today on my blog about three areas of Chinese pronunciation where I’ve noted significant progress after changing some ‘odd’ element – softening consonants, using my diaphragm, and making my vowels more nasal. I would also love to test these! The post is here: http://julienleyre.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/three-core-tips-on-pronouncing-chinese-2/ – I’m basically trying to address the core problem of ‘how to sound more Chinese’.

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