Comments on: Sensible character learning challenge 2014: Milestone #2 https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/ A better way of learning Mandarin Thu, 05 Jun 2014 00:20:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Rossi https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3511 Thu, 05 Jun 2014 00:20:18 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3511 Ai ya! I failed to find a good replacement way to track my progress and practice without Skritter. I will have to strategize! So far I’m stuck at 460 characters learned . . . and fell off Skritter use once the new characters weren’t coming in. but I will have to figure something out! I can make a come-back …

Milestone #1 (April 8th): 250
Milestone #2 (April 30th): 450 (haven’t met!)
Milestone #3 (May 31st): 650
End of challenge (June 30th): 850

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By: Sensible Chinese character learning challenge 2014 | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3510 Sun, 01 Jun 2014 22:58:49 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3510 […] Sensible character learning challenge 2014: Milestone #2 […]

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By: Teresa https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3509 Tue, 13 May 2014 10:07:31 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3509 In reply to Olle Linge.

I didn’t really study too much before the challenge, just flash cards, which I find easier to memorize.

I have been using Skritter lately too, in the first milestone I said I didn’t find it useful but I got a mouse and it has changed my perspective. I actually think it’s pretty useful now, it’s helping me not only with the writting but with the tones, which is something I always have problems with. Do you think I could get an extension? Mine expired time ago and I have just been reviewing the words that were saved but I’d like to add some new ones.

Thanks!!

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By: Oaht https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3508 Tue, 13 May 2014 09:40:22 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3508 In reply to Olle Linge.

You are right about the character confusion, especially for the tones (for excample 蹦(beng4) and 崩(beng1). Now I have to create extra mnemonic just only to help me remembering that.

Also the characters in the list I am learning now are less freqently used thus less seen in my real life context (I’m living in China). So I slightly changed my tactic by not only stricting to the pre-made characters list (3000 most used characters) but modifying it to my own use. Basically I have been collecting the characters from the food menu, sign, or any reading materials of my professional(architecture)that I haven’t learned and putting in the list.

By the way, I have recieved the posters. They look great on the wall and definitely will be useful for my study. Thanks Olle and people for Hanzi WallChart!

Cheers

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By: Georg https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3507 Fri, 09 May 2014 08:54:38 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3507 Hi Olle,

I’m late to check in for the second mile stone because I was abroad.
My goal for the second mile stone was 50% of the HSK 3 vocabulary on Skritter. I actually did 45.8% which means I’ll have to pick up speed towards the third mile stone, but I really feel happy with my achievements, also because I average around a retention of 87% with an upwards trend.

I’m already looking forward in excitement to the day when I will finally start the HSK 4 vocable list 🙂

Thanks again for the great challenge
大家加油!

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3506 Wed, 07 May 2014 12:41:26 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3506 In reply to 爱美.

Haha, sorry about that, I blame the comment system I use, which is horrible! Good to hear that you’re learning seems to be going well. 🙂

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By: 爱美 https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3505 Tue, 06 May 2014 11:01:07 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3505 Milestone #1 (April 8th): 985 total EXCEEDED! 1004
Milestone #2 (April 30th): 1100 total Learned 1073
Milestone #3 (May 31st): 1200 total
End of challenge (June 30th): 1300 total

I am a little behind my milestone according to Skritter but feel like I am learning faster than ever.

I have decided to be more proactive with creating mnemonics before I add the character. I think it is cutting my learning time.

Only 80 more to add from hsk 4! Feels good!

PS Olle you are too efficient. I was on the list at 66 and added me again at 96!

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By: Joaquin Matek https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3504 Mon, 05 May 2014 14:47:47 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3504 In reply to Olle Linge.

That’s a good idea, and as you said, more realistic.

Olle, I have a question for you; if you have time to reply I would greatly appreciate your advice, if not, no worries. I saw below in one of your other replies that you use Skritter solely for writing individual characters and rely on Anki for your other needs. Your method does not seem radical to me, in fact it makes a lot of sense.

I had an interesting conversation with a Chinese friend the other day. I asked about the meaning of a character and he said that it didn’t really mean anything. At first I disagreed with him, (if individual characters have no meaning why do we have character dictionaries?) but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense to me. Although some characters have multiple identities as both bound and free morphemes, the majority of characters are bound morphemes and cannot stand alone. Given that most characters can only serve as bound morphemes, as learners we are stuck in a kind of contextual void. Of course we don’t leave it at that, as you wrote in your other articles, we make a character learning toolkit for ourselves, using mnemonics and a solid understanding of character components to build a scaffolding for our memory. Skritter is ideal for learning characters because the physical act of writing not only helps us write better, it functions as another hook for our memory.

Words on the other hand are a whole ‘nother animal. Although they are free morphemes, their meanings are still highly fluid and only gain solidity in the context of a sentence. Of course mnemonics are also highly helpful in learning words, but learning words in context, in sentences, creates even more conceptual hooks for our memory and does so in ‘the wild’, teaching us about collocations and nuances that would be difficult to impart without the context provided by those sentences. Skritter is less useful for sentences. I know that none of this is new to you, but it was an epiphany for me, and it helped me to organize my thoughts, so thanks for bearing with me.

Anyways, I’m almost to my actual question… 🙂

Given these epiphanies and the inspiration provided by your and Khatzumoto’s blog, I have started using Khatzumoto’s MCD method to learn words ‘in the wild’, in a context-rich environment, and I have decided to do so using Anki and the MCD plugin. I want to eventually stop using Skritter to learn words (inefficient) and only use it for learning characters (efficient and fun). I’m trying to figure out the best way to proceed from here. I am open to the possibility of nuking my Skritter account, but I’m not sure if that’s the best way to go. I read your “Is your flashcard deck too big for your own good?” article, and I am definitely spending too large a portion of my time on SRS study, and not enough time listening, reading, talking, and writing. My question for you is, do you have any suggestions about how to make this transition more smoothly? If I do decide to nuke my account, I think I would follow your tack and make use of your 台湾通用字汇 lists (studying the simplified variants) and perhaps also use Skritter solely for studying writing.

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3503 Mon, 05 May 2014 14:22:53 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3503 In reply to xiaokaka.

That’s of course okay, just want people to be happy with the prizes. They should contact you shortly about the prize!

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By: xiaokaka https://www.hackingchinese.com/sensible-character-learning-challenge-2014-milestone-2/#comment-3502 Mon, 05 May 2014 12:59:28 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=5173#comment-3502 ]]> In reply to Olle Linge.

I really like Glossika’s products, so I’d love to keep it! ☺️

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