Comments on: Using Chinese textbooks to improve reading ability https://www.hackingchinese.com/using-chinese-textbooks-to-improve-reading-ability/ A better way of learning Mandarin Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:31:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/using-chinese-textbooks-to-improve-reading-ability/#comment-3959 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 08:43:58 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=6501#comment-3959 In reply to Peter Palme.

Hi!

Thanks for the suggestions! I’m aware of most of them already, but not all. I also spend a lot of time reading and mostly follow the same principles, i.e. I only use a dictionary when not knowing what a word means really stops me from understanding what’s going on, which isn’t all that often.

I was under the impression that Chinese Children although they can speak and understand Chinese will only know a limited amount of characters compared to adults. Therefore I thought that books targeted to children would contain fewer unique characters than other literature.

I don’t think I have claimed that children’s books contain more unique characters than other forms of literature? What I did say what that they are harder than you’d think if you compared the situation in Chinese with that in English.

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By: Peter Palme https://www.hackingchinese.com/using-chinese-textbooks-to-improve-reading-ability/#comment-3958 Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:43:57 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=6501#comment-3958 Thanks for the suggestion. Textbooks are another useful resource of getting into reading Chinese.
I use the graded readers quite extensively and I use the advice of Kato Lomb a well known polyglot. She learned languages by extensive reading. Her advice is not to immediately consult a dictionary when you do not understand the word. Instead it is better to reread the text. I was amazed how well this worked for my Chinese Reading. In the graded readers I come across words that I don’t know. I just keep on reading.
The next day I go back and reread again the text and I amazed how much more I understand without consulting the dictionary.
Besides graded readers I came across these sites:
Chinese Newspaper Global Times called Target Chinese for intermediate. http://language.globaltimes.cn/category/for-intermediate/target-chinese/.
A newspaper for Chinese language learners
http://www.thechairmansbao.com/
Articles for HSK Level 3-6
And then there is the website bliu bliu
https://bliubliu.com/en/
It first makes a quick assessment of the Chinese characters you know and then presents you with Chinese text at your current level
Jun Da a well known linguist has done extensive research on reading. To read a Chinese Novel is the most demanding tasks. To read a Chinese Newspaper you need to know less characters.
Olle, there was one point you made in your blog post that surprised me. I was under the impression that Chinese Children although they can speak and understand Chinese will only know a limited amount of characters compared to adults. Therefore I thought that books targeted to children would contain fewer unique characters than other literature.

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By: Brian Buckley https://www.hackingchinese.com/using-chinese-textbooks-to-improve-reading-ability/#comment-3957 Wed, 22 Apr 2015 16:13:53 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=6501#comment-3957 This article makes a very good point on the need for diversity in reading material. I can agree with the criticism for a lack of diversity in vocabulary, however the application and use of the vocabulary that is being used is the key. I had a tutor who emphasized the lack of diversity, but I strongly feel the importance of being able to reinforce and use the vocabulary that I am learning.

My own experience was that I completed my study in Integrated Chinese, only to find that the volume of vocabulary was sadly lacking, so I have gone back to the very first lesson in New Practical Chinese Reader and am working my way through this series. Only, this time I am also studying with a tutor which has been a great help to my Chinese level.

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By: John Renfroe https://www.hackingchinese.com/using-chinese-textbooks-to-improve-reading-ability/#comment-3956 Tue, 21 Apr 2015 05:23:12 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=6501#comment-3956 Excellent post, really jibes with my experience.

Pretty much the whole time I was studying Chinese intensively, I used multiple textbooks at the same time. I studied PAVC 2 on its own, but PAVC 3 was paired with 今日台灣 Taiwan Today and Far East IIB. PAVC 4 was paired with 20 Lectures on Chinese Culture, Mini Radio Plays with Talks On Chinese Culture (an ICLP book which I found used). Then while I took a newspaper-reading class (using the newspaper, not a textbook), I studied 思想與社會 on the side. Then while I took 思想與社會 (it’s a lot of material and I felt like a review would be good), I studied parts of 從精讀到泛讀 The Independent Reader on the side and read an intro book on 古文字學 (which was my first real book, and reasonably easy for me by that point).

And on the side of all that, I studied 文言文, starting with Fuller’s An Introduction to Literary Chinese when I was taking PAVC 3, using Shadick’s A First Course in Literary Chinese as a reader after that, and then moving on to selections from 古文觀止 and Taiwanese high school 國文 readers.

It’s tiring just thinking about all that! But it was very effective. I went from the beginning of PAVC 2 (which as you know is very much a beginner’s textbook) to starting work as a freelance translator in 15 months. It isn’t something that’s practical for most people to replicate. I was on scholarship and my only work obligation at the time was tutoring English a few hours per week, so I was very lucky in that regard.

In retrospect, however, I did focus a bit too much on textbooks. After 15 months at the MTC doing everything I listed above (plus the occasional TV show w/script and various other things), I started to realize that my Chinese was a bit stilted, and a bit old-fashioned. As one of my former teachers put it, textbooks in Taiwan tend to teach 「蔣氏王朝的中文」. Some of them are excellent, but they need to be balanced out with authentic, modern material. At any rate, a year of working as a translator followed by a year of grad school in 國文研究所 (with classes in 口譯 on the side, which were enormously helpful) fixed that.

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By: Larry Lynch https://www.hackingchinese.com/using-chinese-textbooks-to-improve-reading-ability/#comment-3955 Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:53:33 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=6501#comment-3955 Olle, I’m in complete agreement with your helpful comments about using textbooks for reading materials. I use and like both Integrated Chinese and NPCR. My latest favorite is Living Language: Chinese, especially for the well-designed audio & written exercises and for the dialogues. It is like a much more compact version of either IC or NPCR, and contrary to some books like Chinese for Dummies, DOES include the characters, not just Pinyin.

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/using-chinese-textbooks-to-improve-reading-ability/#comment-3954 Fri, 17 Apr 2015 06:45:33 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=6501#comment-3954 In reply to Taemin.

I know, I agree, but can you find more interesting material at the same level anywhere else? Of course, if the frustration is strong enough, it might be worth looking into material which is way too hard, which is definitely possible with pop-up dictionaries and so on, but that’s frustrating in another way.

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By: Taemin https://www.hackingchinese.com/using-chinese-textbooks-to-improve-reading-ability/#comment-3953 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:46:30 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=6501#comment-3953 the problem with textbooks is stiflingly dry content. If I have to read another piece on traditional festivals or friendship between our two nations, I think I might scream

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