Comments on: Can you learn Chinese faster by making it harder? https://www.hackingchinese.com/can-you-learn-chinese-faster-by-making-it-harder/ A better way of learning Mandarin Thu, 28 Sep 2023 18:30:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/can-you-learn-chinese-faster-by-making-it-harder/#comment-112131 Thu, 28 Sep 2023 18:30:43 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=9326#comment-112131 In reply to 白羽.

Thanks for sharing! I think reading and/or listening to content you’re truly interested in is essential, but if it’s relatively difficult, it works best as a small part of the overall study routine, as you say. I have spent way too much time trying to tackle very hard content and regret it; it feels like I spent most of the time looking things up and that’s not a very efficient way of learning a language. In my defense, there wasn’t as much graded listening and reading content around when I started learning Mandarin and it was harder to find, but I did not make proper use of it.

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By: 白羽 https://www.hackingchinese.com/can-you-learn-chinese-faster-by-making-it-harder/#comment-112076 Tue, 26 Sep 2023 23:30:55 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=9326#comment-112076 I would say that I practiced the “making it harder” approach when it came to a certain cartoon series: 偵探鴨子. It is an English-language cartoon dubbed over in Chinese. I forget its English name. All the characters are ducks. Miss Mallory, the main duck, is an amateur, but brilliant, detective. She is clearly based on Agatha Christies’s Miss Marple down to the knitting that she always carries in her purse.

Anyway, I was enchanted by this cartoon….but there were no Chinese subtitles, and at that point in my studies, I couldn’t understand even the gist of a story without Chinese subtitles.

So I began the plodding work of listening, stopping the video, writing down as much as I understood, replaying, ad infinitum. It took days. I would then have my Chinese tutor listen to the video and correct my transcript. I remember the delight I felt when I could understand the whole video. I went on to write transcripts and have them corrected for many more duck detective videos. I definitely threw myself into something over my head, but I was motivated by delight at these take-offs on Miss Marple mysteries. As a result, my listening comprehension and vocabulary shot way up.

One take away is that one should try to do it with a subject matter that really motivates you to learn it. For me, it’s like desert—not the one and only, and not the main, course in my studies.

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By: Eric Majerus https://www.hackingchinese.com/can-you-learn-chinese-faster-by-making-it-harder/#comment-30289 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 02:44:07 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=9326#comment-30289 Great article! Where do you recommend getting material for extensive learning at a particular level? I’ve been using The Chairman’s Bao as a graded reader because it allows me to select which HSK level article I want to read (which is currently between 2 and 3).

I find it easier to practice character recognition by having at-mt-level material because I spend less time looking up every other character and more time interpreting the context.

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By: Riley https://www.hackingchinese.com/can-you-learn-chinese-faster-by-making-it-harder/#comment-30238 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 17:16:26 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=9326#comment-30238 Great post! I like Paul Nation’s idea that learning a language well is all about balancing what he calls the “four strands”: meaning-focused input, meaning-focused output, fluency development, and form-focused study; he recommends about an equal mix of each. Fluency development is essentially extensive studying, where you’re familiar with about 98% if the vocab, and “meaning focused” is more intensive, but even there the floor is about 90-95%. I think super-intensive “kamikaze” study works for some learners, but would be overwhelming for most.

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By: Morgan https://www.hackingchinese.com/can-you-learn-chinese-faster-by-making-it-harder/#comment-30173 Thu, 23 Nov 2017 05:20:22 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=9326#comment-30173 I have tried a kamikaze style (ish) approach to learning Chinese in an effort to increase vocabulary, listening and reading quickly during a 4 month career break. I do not like using HSK as an indicator of my Chinese level (and I know Olle is also not a fan of this), however as a rough indication I was around level 4 so give or take 1200-1500 characters. I was listening to native radio stations, primarily news channels and story channels, reading transcripts from TED Talks, reading textbooks higher than my level and using native articles. I would say that besides the odd word or phrase that jumped out or regularly kept coming up (Rule of 3), I learned very little and my understanding of the language barely increased. However, more importantly, it sapped my motivation and I was losing drive to continue studying. I wasn’t looking forward to studying because I knew it wasn’t going to be a slog and chances are I’d finish whatever session I was doing feeling drained and as if I had little to show from it. In contrast, I have recently been doing my best to consume a lot more material at my actual level and that just below, from many diverse sources. I am reading textbooks and graded readers that are pitched around and below my level; I am watching lots of Chinese cartoons (熊出没 and 小猪佩奇 are favourites) and I am using the audio from the books and readers to supplement listening practice. Whilst I may not be increasing the scope and range of my vocabulary, it does feel like I am gaining a better understanding of the language, albeit slowly, which is arguably just as important as having a broad range of vocabulary (there’s not point having a wide range of vocab if you can’t apply it correctly. More importantly, I don’t feel so drained after “studying” like this compared to how I felt when doing a kamikaze-esque approach and I don’t feel demoralised because in this method I am actually able to understand 95% or so of what’s going on. My study method is (very) far from perfect, but I’m hoping that with a new online course I’m doing with BLCU, along with practice with native speakers and my more laid-back approach to consuming Chinese material (i.e extensive studying), I’ll start making some steady progress in Mandarin.

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