Comments on: Why not going to China now could actually be good for your Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/ A better way of learning Mandarin Mon, 03 Nov 2025 07:50:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Analysis paralysis and learning Chinese: When thinking too much holds you back | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-132833 Thu, 15 May 2025 19:40:16 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-132833 […] example, deciding whether or not to go to China to study, when to go, which university or language centre to attend, or even which class to enrol in, are all decisions […]

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By: Pros and cons with travelling to learn a language | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-109465 Sun, 11 Jun 2023 09:51:15 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-109465 […] Save the time and money, and use it to travel when it will actually benefit your Chinese instead. This argument is similar to why not moving to China now can actually be good for your Chinese. Naturally, if you have unlimited resources, go ahead, but most people don’t, so weighing […]

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By: BaoziFun https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-78199 Sat, 12 Jun 2021 20:27:21 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-78199 When I was in high school a bunch of people went to Spain for 6 weeks. The students who had taken 3-4 Spanish classes came back speaking damn near fluent Spanish. The kids that didn’t only spoke basic phrases.

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By: 21 Tips to Make More Time to Learn Mandarin - Mandarin Monkey https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-70927 Sat, 12 Dec 2020 10:37:34 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-70927 […] But you don’t have to leave the country to create a full-immersion learning environment. Actually, some even go as far as to say moving to China might even set your learning back. […]

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By: Franziska Schmidt https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-67944 Fri, 18 Sep 2020 22:20:32 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-67944 In reply to Franziska Schmidt.

P.S.: I know that you disagree with me saying that native speakers who can’t explain their own language are sometimes not helpful to beginners. However, in my experience with people trying to learn German, they had tons of questions for me about why certain things are the way they are. For example, certain prefixes mean certain things when you put them in front of different verbs and native speakers seem to know what that means even if the word is made up, which puzzled my German-learning friends. And I had absolutely no idea how to explain it to them, so I tried to give them examples of other cases where this prefix does a certain thing and explain it that way. Unfortunately, they typically didn’t know these examples yet, so I left them even more confused, hahaha. I think the underlying issue is that native speakers know certain things because they’ve seen lots of examples and have subconsciously discovered a rule that explains it all, but they can’t express that rule. So, they end up throwing the full complexity of their native language at the beginner, hoping that they will “see the light” the way they once did, but end up confusing them more.

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By: Franziska Schmidt https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-67943 Fri, 18 Sep 2020 22:10:20 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-67943 Copied from my email (I mostly read your articles in my inbox) and a bit shortened:

Loved this article! A lot of what you’re pointing out here is not just true for Mandarin, but applies equally well to other foreign languages, even the ones more closely related to one’s native language, if the goal is to reach native speaker level (or get close to it) as opposed to “just” reaching a functional level. I’m a native German speaker and I had English and a bit of Mandarin in school, which laid the foundation, then a language buddy for English in undergrad, plus more Mandarin classes, until I finally ended up going to Beijing for 2 years (2014-2016) and the US (2016-now). I learned a ton in China, but because I primarily develop my language skills through reading, which is rather difficult to do for Mandarin, I’d say I could have gone even later than I did and it would have been more efficient.

One argument I might add to your list here is that native speakers are often “useless” to a beginner, or even an intermediate learner. Most native speakers have no clue how their own language functions because they don’t have to, they just “know it”. To beginners they won’t be helpful because they can’t explain why certain things are the way they are, and to intermediate speakers, who may attempt to copy their way of speaking, their presence might even be detrimental if they speak a dialect that isn’t standard and the learner can’t recognize that yet. Unless that dialect is the goal, of course… Personally, I aim for a fairly neutral accent in all languages I learn, so it has been incredibly helpful for me to go to China and the US after having spent a significant amount of time learning the local language at home. It enabled me to “detect” dialects, slang, and native speakers, who are simply less educated and don’t adhere to the standard language I am attempting to learn. I think it’s vital for any language learner to know which register they’re drawing from in a particular situation and to be able to switch between them as desired. However, I do realize that most people may not care that much and are learning a language to be understood, not to become a faux native speaker, so this is me speaking as a perfectionist. 🙂

In general, I believe that the primary goal in cracking another language should be to determine what type of language learner one is and to figure out how to max out one’s strongest skills before traveling. In my English-learning journey, that kind of preparation enabled me to bring my speaking skills up to a functional level and beyond as soon as I had more access to native speakers, even though speaking is my weakest skill and I pretty much refused to open my mouth when learning at home (got me some horrendous grades in English in high school, hahaha). The next time I’m in China, I intend to do the same!

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By: Ben Parker https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-67684 Wed, 09 Sep 2020 13:16:52 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-67684 I went to Beijing for eight weeks in an immersion program (no English allowed) after studying Mandarin part-time for two years (probably 15-20 hours/wk).

I thought the timing was perfect, for many of the reasons you mention in the article. I had already learned basics and it was a huge boost in motivation. The hour long subway commutes also ensured I had plenty of time every day for vocabulary review 🙂

Another big factor about how much Chinese you learn abroad is, I think, who you surround yourself with. If I had been spending time with other foreigners who were not interested in learning Chinese, I may not have progressed much. Conversely, if I had had no teachers or language learning peers in China, the native speakers around me probably would not have had any patience with me and I wouldn’t have progressed as well either. With a few dedicated teachers and a group of peers, however, we were all able to get the social support we needed to progress very rapidly, especially in speaking. Without having any precise way to measure this, I would estimate that my Chinese improved as much in those two months as it had in the previous two years.

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-12036 Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:24:22 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-12036 In reply to Daniel Salgado.

Starting with listening and speaking is fine! The difference between French and English is that if your native language is closely related to French or shares a lot of vocabulary with it, you can pick things up fairly easy. That just doesn’t happen when learning Chinese. I don’t want to give a specific number of words or whatever you should learn, but at least enough to be able to talk a little bit about yourself.

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By: Daniel Salgado https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-12030 Sun, 18 Sep 2016 15:42:38 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-12030 I have a question about ‘strategy’. After trying a bit to learn some words in chinese, i’ve come up with the following idea: To focus only in learning speak and listen, leaving aside reading and writing. That way i don’t have to worry about hanyu characters, which are so hard, and can focus on speaking, tone, pronunciation and pinyin…. what would say about that strategy? So you think about 200 words is a good point of reference to star thinking about immersion in china? …anyway, thanks for this tip! I was slowly comming to this conclusion, about immersion. Funny enough, i had this wrong opinion also exactly because of french. I went to france and totally unexpectedly learned a lot of french very easily. I never had any interestedin french but just fell in love because it was so easy and a pleasure to learn… Note: my native language is portuguese, which is much more closely related to french than english, so you can imagine what a breeze it was… So i was having the same notion with chinese. But the hardships of learning basic stuff got m thinking that it wouldn’t be so easy. Anyway, it would be easier and faster to learn on site, but not fast enough for a 30 day trip… like you said, in those 30 days i would learn mostly things i could’ve learned at home in about that time.

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By: Nidal https://www.hackingchinese.com/why-not-going-to-china-now-could-actually-be-good-for-your-chinese/#comment-143 Wed, 04 Jun 2014 01:56:52 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=36#comment-143 Hello Olle Linge,
I just discovered your site in this late night time lol by typing the keyword ‘ how to learn Chinese faster ‘ actually I am still a beginner but eager to learn faster this language but I guess I have to know that It will take some time ^^ but I believe that practice makes perfect ! Anyway I find this article very interesting as I had the opportunity to study in China this year but the Director of my institute just gave me the same advice u mentioned here she said I need time to learn more vocabulary before going so I delayed that till next year 🙂 happy to read this article today because I was so eager to go there to practice but I realized that I could wasted time I ahree !

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