Comments on: A guide to Pinyin traps and pitfalls: Learning Mandarin pronunciation https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/ A better way of learning Mandarin Tue, 16 Sep 2025 06:38:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-141029 Tue, 16 Sep 2025 06:38:49 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-141029 In reply to Jia.

I think you’re right that teachers confuse students by sounding out the initials and finals. I remember clearly how confused I was when the teacher said “mo” + miao” = “miao”. When you just listen to it, it sounds so weird! Of course, it’s equally weird to tell someone how to pronounce “cat” by saying “see” + “ey” + “tee” = “cat”, but that’s ingrained into people who know how to read and speak English that it doesn’t even occur to people that it is weird (just like Chinese teachers don’t realise that “mo” + “iao” = “miao” sounds weird to most students). I never sound out words this way in Mandarin as it makes very little sense to me.

I think using IPA occasionally can be good, but not for vowel sounds. Vowels are complex as it is and just seeing a weird symbol doesn’t do much for the students. However, it’s great for series like zh/ch/sh, z/c/s and j/q/x where you can really see how the sounds are similar.

In general, a lot problems in the area of teaching Chinese as a second language comes from people using things they learnt at children without thinking about it, or applying the same methods they used in school to teach adult foreigners. This is a good example!

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By: Jia https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-141013 Mon, 15 Sep 2025 23:29:31 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-141013 Hello! Your expertise in Chinese is exceptional!!!! I am a native speaker of Chinese and an applied linguist, and I am thinking of making videos on how 99.9% of Chinese teachers teach pronunciation “wrong”, and I googled to see if any people have made videos on this, and I found your wonderful post. I also wanted to point out that almost no videos out there teach people to say Chinese consonants properly. They always pronounce them as “波,泼,摸,佛”, which is actually buo, puo, muo, fuo. And many beginners just cannot get why buo + a can be pronounced as 爸. I found this way of teaching misleading. But every teacher is doing this because this is how we learned Pinyin in primary school. Also the so-called 整体认读音节 doesn’t follow the spelling rules of Pinyin and requires a lot of memorization too. What’s your opinion? Do you think teachers should use IPA sometimes to represent, for example, the four different i sounds, and later let students know there are some conventionalized ways of writing Pinyin, or just stick with the 波泼摸佛things almost everyone else is using?

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-129118 Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:42:52 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-129118 In reply to Gordon.

If transparency is the goal, IPA is the only good option!

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By: Gordon https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-129083 Wed, 26 Feb 2025 17:47:17 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-129083 Which system would you think has the least number of pitfalls to an American learner? If there were no political ramifications, would you use Yale or Tongyong?

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By: Don’t learn Mandarin pronunciation by reading, listen and mimic instead | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-123934 Mon, 07 Oct 2024 14:28:25 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-123934 […] When you read Pinyin as a beginner, the natural thing to do is to interpret the sound values of the letters using languages you already know. This is bound to be correct in some cases (m, n, f and l for example, are pronounced pretty much the same in Chinese and English), slightly off in some cases, and completely wrong in others. I’ve sorted out the most confusing cases already in this article (check the podcast episode for audio): A guide to Pinyin traps and pitfalls: Learning Mandarin pronunciation […]

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By: Student Q&A, October 2024: Pronouncing the final -i after sh-, the initial z- and if Pinyin is a good transcription system | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-123636 Tue, 01 Oct 2024 06:18:46 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-123636 […] Read more about Pinyin traps and pitfalls here: A guide to Pinyin traps and pitfalls: Learning Mandarin pronunciation […]

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By: 3 thing I wish I had known as a beginner student of Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-122324 Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:47:34 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-122324 […] So, my advice is to make sure you learn the tones, initials and finals. Make sure you understand the link between sounds and written symbols, and make sure you know all the Pinyin traps and pitfalls. […]

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By: 24 great resources for improving your Mandarin pronunciation | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-119904 Sun, 12 May 2024 11:07:25 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-119904 […] Please note that focusing too much on Pinyin (a transcription system) over the real sounds and tones of the language can be bad for you. Pinyin is a great tool, but only if you learn the system correctly and don’t take shortcuts. If you do, you’re very likely to get caught in one of the many traps and pitfalls! […]

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By: Why is listening in Chinese so hard? | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-119576 Mon, 29 Apr 2024 08:56:04 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-119576 […] like “ether” and “either” would sound the same if you ignore /θ/ and /ð/. This causes trouble when speaking Mandarin, but also when […]

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By: Student Q&A, November 2023: Reading Pinyin or characters, comprehensible vs. compelling content and reading tools | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/a-guide-to-pinyin-traps-and-pitfalls/#comment-113311 Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:24:52 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=1550#comment-113311 […] A guide to Pinyin traps and pitfalls: Learning Mandarin pronunciation […]

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