Comments on: Is taking a Chinese course that’s too hard good for your learning? https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/ A better way of learning Mandarin Tue, 12 Mar 2024 09:24:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: How to learn Chinese in the long term with intrinsic motivation | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-118114 Tue, 12 Mar 2024 09:24:24 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-118114 […] but also your motivation to keep learning Chinese. Peer pressure can be a good thing, too, so enrolling in a course above your level can create a strong urge to improve to fit in, although this …. Learning with others can provide mutual accountability, encouragement and a sense of […]

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By: How I learnt Chinese, part 6: Graduate program in Taiwan | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-114856 Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:47:23 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-114856 […] To summarise quickly before I go into details, it took me two years to finish my courses and I learnt an awful lot of Chinese during this time. The first semester was a good example of a true learning challenge where mere survival required an almost heroic amount of effort. […]

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By: Is Chinese difficult to learn? | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-110329 Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:41:35 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-110329 […] I have deliberately sought out difficult challenges many times on my Chinese journey, so I also think that making learning more vertical can also be helpful, something I discussed in more detail here: Is taking a Chinese course that’s too hard good for your learning? […]

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By: How I learnt Chinese, part 3: My first year in Taiwan | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-107642 Sat, 04 Mar 2023 15:53:16 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-107642 […] I was allowed to stay, and although I didn’t catch up with my classmates who were simply too far ahead, I learnt an incredible amount of Chinese. I was miles ahead of the people who stayed in the class where I was originally placed. I’ve written more about this in Is taking a Chinese course that’s too hard good for your learning? […]

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By: Best of Hacking Chinese 2022 | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-106016 Mon, 09 Jan 2023 10:10:36 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-106016 […] talking about here, I discussed whether or not this is a good idea; you can check it out here Is taking a Chinese course that’s too hard good for your learning? Regardless of how you ended up in a difficult Chinese course, how should you study to make sure you […]

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-92486 Wed, 16 Feb 2022 11:35:10 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-92486 In reply to Scott Young.

Yes, I think this seems reasonable, and I like the analogy with supply and demand, too. I think this is largely in line with what I write in the article. The problem with taking a course that isn’t created for your level is that lots of the supplied materials and activities will not be suitable, which creates an extra need to make up for that in your own time with your own resources, maybe without much help.

Language-wise, there’s also a problem in that what constitutes comprehensible input varies by level, so while reading/listening to a certain passage might be great for a certain level (the level the course is designed for), it might be a complete waste of time for someone at a lower level. The other issue, which I also mentioned, is that you really might miss some things the course assumes you already know, but that you actually don’t know (similar to what you said about C2 grammar). It isn’t impossible to compensate for this on your own, of course (I mean, taking a course is not necessary in the first place), but it does take extra time and requires some resourcefulness. At the end of the day, though, I feel that motivation is the key. If you really want to do it and can invest extra time and energy, it will usually be okay.

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By: Scott Young https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-92433 Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:14:31 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-92433 I tend to think of learning as being a meeting of supply and demand. Supply is the instruction, grammar explanations, vocabulary, etc. that is given to the learner to integrate into their competency. Demand is the expectations from the environment that sets the standard and motivates activity.

I think from a teacher’s point of view, you want to maximize supply and optimize demand. Forcing someone to do a course that’s beyond their level is bad. So is failing to provide materials that make it impossible to succeed.

But I think from the learner’s point of view, more demand is generally good as long as the learner can comfortably handle it. Intense goals create more motivation and focus, so the only downside is when the expectation is so high that you feel you can’t succeed and it backfires.

The only place I could see seeking out a more challenging environment being less effective for learning (assuming you’re below the threshold of excessive stress/burnout from studying) would be when choosing an advanced environment impacts the supply of learner materials. For instance, you don’t get proper instruction on tones because it is assumed you should know how to do it, instead you’re paying attention to C2 grammar points that come up infrequently.

Still, I tend to think setting a high, but believable, set of demand constraints on yourself for the environment is usually better, if only because we tend to underinvest effort in learning.

Just my two cents.

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-18594 Sat, 08 Apr 2017 07:41:35 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-18594 In reply to April.

Hi! I’m not sure what you mean. It doesn’t say “lodge a submission ” anywhere in the article and it’s not obvious what you refer to. Could you please clarify?

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By: April https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-18568 Fri, 07 Apr 2017 10:33:38 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-18568 Hi I also, like you need to ‘lodge a submission’ with the chinese unis in a short amount of time. I dont understand what that involves could you possibly advise?

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By: Learn Chinese faster by leaving your comfort zone | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/is-taking-a-chinese-course-thats-too-hard-good-for-your-learning/#comment-4291 Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:49:14 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=401#comment-4291 […] outside my comfort zone when learning Chinese numerous times, which made me write an article titled The Kamikaze Approach to Learning Chinese. I have also noticed the positive effects of this in many other areas, but let me give you one […]

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