Comments on: Standard pronunciation in Chinese and why you want it https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/ A better way of learning Mandarin Tue, 30 Sep 2025 04:25:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: 16 myths about learning Chinese that are holding you back | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-141148 Tue, 30 Sep 2025 04:25:52 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-141148 […] Knowledge of the standard language. Almost nobody in China speaks perfectly standard Mandarin in their everyday lives. Some native speakers, especially in Beijing, think that they speak standard Mandarin, but don’t. Most native speakers need to study to pass pronunciation exams. […]

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By: Native speakers and native speakers | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-126680 Sun, 22 Dec 2024 09:03:12 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-126680 […] While we can argue about the importance of following an official standard, we can all agree that we need to use Chinese in a way that allows us to communicate in the language. In general, or when in doubt, following the standard makes this easier, as I’ve argued here for pronunciation: Standard pronunciation in Chinese and why you want it. […]

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By: Chinese pronunciation challenge, October 2023 | Hacking Chinese | Hacking Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-112325 Wed, 04 Oct 2023 17:59:56 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-112325 […] Standard pronunciation in Chinese and why you want it […]

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By: Olle Linge https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-47569 Tue, 21 May 2019 20:29:25 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-47569 In reply to Elaine.

There are lots of systematic differences between the two standards, but even bigger differences between the way normal people talk. Not being able to put these differences into words is pretty normal unless you’re a trained phonetician. For example, can you put into words the difference between dialects of English? Most native speakers of English can’t do that, at least not using standardised terms.

There are plenty of both academic and lay descriptions of these differences, but starting on Wikipedia is a good idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_Mandarin#Pronunciation. Check what it says under “In acrolectal Taiwanese Mandarin:”. Also check the entries regarding different preferred variants and different official pronunciations.

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By: Elaine https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-47565 Tue, 21 May 2019 16:26:11 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-47565 I’m currently learning Chinese in a tiny town in the US, so almost all my speaking is through audio and video with my tutors in both Taiwan and on the mainland. While i’ve Been learning it off and on for several years now; it’s only been the past few months that I began to discern, what I NOW hear as VERY stark differences. I guess it’s just a matter of time and experience that our foreign ears takes to hear these differences. I brought it up to my primary tutor in Beijing and as a professional translator; he thought it was funny before congratulating me on STARTING my “real learning of standardized Chinese”. My only problem is that although I can HEAR the difference, I can’t quite put it into words..except maybe Mainland sounds more “mouthy” overall, whereas Taiwan sounds more “throat” based or “open”..I hate to use this term because I don’t want it to come out wrong, but my tutors in Taiwan sound more like students on the mainland, it’s less effortless. I’m just NOT going to describe it that way to them..?
Does any of that make sense? I only detect very slight differences with the retro flex sounds-at least with my tutors. Those are more noticeable to me in some programs from Taiwan-mainly reality-type or talent shows.

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By: Written Chinese https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-47564 Tue, 21 May 2019 14:55:00 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-47564 […] Focusing on pronunciation when learning Chinese […]

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By: Katie’s Blog #8 – Final Project Summary – NSLI-Y Taiwan 美國高中生華語獎學金計畫 https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-37696 Tue, 17 Apr 2018 03:53:42 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-37696 […] Linge, Olle. “Standard Pronunciation in Chinese and Why You Want It.” Hacking Chinese, 6 Jan. 2016, http://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/. […]

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By: Chechien Wang https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-2564 Tue, 27 May 2014 18:10:36 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-2564 In reply to Danny.

Yes, you are right about that, 研究 is pronounced 就 in Taiwan standard Mandarin.
A number of characters are pronounced differently in Taiwan Mandarin and PRC Mandarin (“Beijing standard”). There are also quite a few words that are different, and some grammar is different as well (use of 有 to mark past tense, different use and position of 了 etc), but you will learn those along the way.

I am not sure what PAVC is, but my teacher friends tell me that the Chinese as a second language departments at big Taiwanese unis try to get people to study in Taiwan even if they later want to use their Mandarin in the PRC and therefore aim to teach PRC standard, although the teachers are all Taiwanese and students will have a hard time understanding and being understood while in Taiwan.

I personally feel that is quite daft, but hey. If you ask the teachers, I am sure they are more than happy to tell you about the Taiwanese way of saying things.

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By: Learning Chinese pronunciation as a beginner | Hacking Chinese - 揭密中文 https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-2563 Tue, 24 Dec 2013 02:07:07 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-2563 […] think good pronunciation is very important when learning any language and  Chinese is certainly no exception. In this post, I’m going […]

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By: Herbert Mushangwe https://www.hackingchinese.com/standardised-pronunciation-in-chinese-and-why-you-want-it/#comment-2562 Mon, 02 Dec 2013 03:18:59 +0000 http://www.hackingchinese.com/?p=3994#comment-2562 Very Interesting discussion. As a Chinese language student and researcher I wouldn’t wonder why one might not be understood by some native speakers of Chinese because “proper” standard Chinese is something that is is spoken by less that 10% of Chinese people. I was in Sichuan one other time and a certain old lady speaking Sichuan dialect had to call her daughter to translate their dialect to standard Chinese for her to understand what i was saying. I think sometimes foreigners speak better standard Chinese especially if they studied Chinese in the north, thus if a native Chinese cannot understand you, you have to remember that standard Chinese is also quite difficult for some native speakers of Chinese. As for Taiwan Chinese, obviously their tones are different from those in the mainland, they use old traditional characters, which means their pronunciation is rooted in Traditional Chinese not Mandarin. Remember Mandarin is a kind of dialect because it is developed out of Beijing people’s pronunciation (not the whole of China.

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